Thread: Amnesty for Former TRT Executives?

Fckuing lemmings.

Originally Posted by Mid

Mr Kwanchai said he would organise an event on April 7 at which red shirts would launch a drug campaign with police.

This gives me that day jar view feeling of history being about to repeat itself, one has to wonder just how many thai's they are going to kill and how many families are going to be ruined this time round

I am confused, I thought the reds had nothing to do with Thaksin, so why are they worshiping him like a semi-god ?

^Schrödinger's cat

They simultaneously worship him and have nothing to do with him; until someone asks a question at which point the wave function collapses into the most appropriate answer given the circumstances.

^ yes, DrB is an authority on that MO

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I am confused, I thought the reds had nothing to do with Thaksin, so why are they worshiping him like a semi-god ?

You should have visited the Rajprasong encampment back in the day... would have lifted your confusion, even if only momentarily.

Loads, most, red shirts are Thaksin fans. I daresay the results of the last two elections speak for themselves. Others however are luke warm, and for others it really isn't to do with Thaksin at all, apart from the fact he was illegally ousted contra to the popular mandate.

Originally Posted by sabang

Loads, most, red shirts are Thaksin fans.

fuck, are you sure ? this is fucking incredible,

Originally Posted by mao say dung

You should have visited the Rajprasong encampment back in the day... would have lifted your confusion, even if only momentarily.

I did, and it was like that: Lovely and peaceful Issaan peasants surrounded by petty criminals from Bangkok slums posing as security. It was a scene to be seen for sure.

I am surprised it ended so peacefully actually, I was expecting some major damage. Oh wait !!!

Red shirts plan 'Thaksin tour'
30/03/2012

Red Tour 999 will take you on a three-day road trip to Siem Reap, Cambodia, staying at a four-star hotel for 6,500 baht each _ but there's a catch.



An ad on the Facebook page of a red shirt invites people to join an April 13-15 tour to Cambodia where they can visit Angkor Wat and meet ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra.

"You should be a red shirt," said the tour organiser who goes by the name of Ton7777.

"We have to be concerned about the safety of [former] prime minister Thaksin [Shinawatra]."

During the Songkran holidays, April 13-15, the tour will take you to cultural heritage sites such as Angkor Wat and Angkor Thom, but the highlight will be on April 14, when tour participants will get a chance to meet the ousted premier and perform a rod nam dam hua ceremony, in which Songkran celebrants show respect to their elders by pouring holy water over their hands.

Ton7777 says he does not mean to bar non-red shirts from participating in the tour, but he is concerned about two issues _ the safety of Thaksin and also the fun factor of the tour itself.

"If you are a yellow shirt, what fun will you have? How will you get along with everyone? It will be uncomfortable for you and everyone else," he said.

So far, two callers interested in his tour are on his list of suspects.

The first question he always asks before making a reservation is: "Are you a red shirt?"

If the caller says yes, but is unable to name which red shirt group he belongs to, then Ton7777 knows something is fishy.

"If it is someone who is open and doesn't hate Thaksin, it should be fine," he said of interested vacationers, but he also cautioned that he has not yet decided on how strict the policy will be.

There are two purposes for the Red Tour, according to Ton7777.

The first is for people who love and admire Thaksin to meet him in person and offer him their respect at the auspicious Songkran ceremony. A pilgrimage, if you will.

The second is to gain knowledge in preparation for the Asean Economic Community in 2015.

Ton7777 said the tour will educate them about the upcoming single economic community, focusing on issues such as the labour movement, vocational opportunities and the importance of learning English.

Ton7777 revealed he is an engineer with a multinational company. He has a master's degree and is working on his doctorate.

"I wasn't involved in politics before," he said. Like many others, he decided to don a red shirt after the 2006 coup.

On Saturday, during a phone-in to a red shirt rally in Surin, Thaksin invited supporters to meet him in Vientiane on April 12 and 13 and in Siem Reap on April 14 and 15.

Thus far, the red shirt "We Love Udon" and "We Love Isan" groups are also organising trips to meet the former prime minister. It is estimated that up to 10,000 supporters from Udon Thani alone will travel to the two neighbouring countries this Songkran holiday.

bangkokpost.com

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

25.34 percent do not want another coup.

Does that mean 74.66% want one?

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

When asked what Thaksin should do, 64 percent urge the ex-premier to return to Thailand to fight his charges while 16.3 percent do not think that he should return at all.

Interesting.....

It's a bent Poll, and everyone knows that- including those that agree with it.
Push polling has been taken to an utterly laughable nadir in this country.
If they are so confident of the results of this Poll, then fine- absolutely no problem for T to return and run for Prime Minister again. no chance.
You said so yourselves, I mean Polls can not possibly lie, can they?

Abhisit in '2-for-1' offer - The Nation

Abhisit in '2-for-1' offer

The Nation April 7, 2012 1:00 am


If Thaksin is not given amnesty, ex-PM and deputy would accept same fate

Opposition leader Abhisit Vejjajiva has offered to disqualify himself and his former deputy prime minister Suthep Thaugsuban from any future amnesty if the same measure applies to ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra, while other people involved in the political conflict are set free.

He clearly was trying to emphasise that the government's push for reconciliation was ultimately aimed at whitewashing Thaksin's wrongdoings.

Abhisit was responding to a challenge from Pheu Thai MP and red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan that two representatives from each side - Abhisit and Suthep from the Democrat Party, and Jatuporn and Pheu Thai MP and red-shirt leader Natthawut Saikua - should be exempted from any amnesty in the future.

"Let's do it this way. I offer two in exchange for one. Do not grant amnesty to me and Suthep, as well as Thaksin. I like this better," Abhisit said during the House of Representatives debate on reconciliation proposals on Thursday night.

The lower house debated whether to accept the proposals from the ad hoc House committee on national reconciliation and to forward them to the Cabinet for further action.

Abhisit, who served as prime minister in the previous government, and his then-deputy Suthep have been accused by the red shirts of "ordering the massacre of protesters" in the political unrest and riots in early 2010.

More than 90 people were killed during more than two months of street protests and occupations in Bangkok by the pro-Thaksin red shirts between March and May 2010. Among those killed were soldiers, police, protesters, passers-by, local residents and foreign journalists.

During the debate, Abhisit said rule of law should be upheld and that by offering general amnesty to everyone - as proposed by the House panel and backed by the government MPs - more conflict would be created.

"Don't try to involve Parliament to solve the problem of people who do not sincerely want to reconcile," Abhisit said. "Don't create a condition for new conflict. That's not a way to reconciliation. If there is sincerity for reconciliation, we the opposition will fully support the move."

Earlier in the debate, Jatuporn remarked that Abhisit once said he would not reconcile with "the terrorists" - people who wreaked havoc in Bangkok in 2010. Jatuporn, led the red-shirt protest, told the House meeting that his side also would not reconcile with "the murderers", referring to Abhisit and Suthep.

Abhisit responded by cautioning that "the terrorists" and "the murderers" would end up being in the same group of people. He was referring to reports that heavily armed men mingled among the red-shirt protesters.

Pheu Thai Party leader Yongyuth Wichaidit yesterday described Abhisit's challenge as "just rhetoric that cannot be put into action". "In law, general amnesty must be applied to everyone and nobody should be excluded," said Yongyuth, who is also deputy prime minister and interior minister.

Figures close to Thaksin could not be reached yesterday for comments about the matter.

After two days of debate in the lower house, 307 MPs early yesterday voted to support the reconciliation proposals and to forward them to the Cabinet for further action. There were two abstentions. The opposition Democrat MPs refused to vote in protest at what they described as a rush to have the measures passed as soon as possible.

Chief opposition whip Jurin Laksanavisit said the government missed a chance to avoid negative consequences of the rush by ignoring a suggestion from King Prajadhipok's Institute that broader debate of reconciliation was needed to prevent a new round of conflict.

It is certainly telling that after 9 months plus in power, what other society changing legislation has Pheu Thai enacted?

All their efforts seem to surround amnesty, charter change or reconciliation. So much time spent on what? A massive fraud, which is ultimately going to solve nothing. The divisions and inequality in society will still be there.

What are they doing to solve the problems with.... poverty, human rights, women's rights, inequality, corruption, rape laws, child abuse laws, human trafficking, gun crime, domestic violence, education, the environment, malpractice and compensation, the southern insurgency, consumer rights and protection, censorship, enforcement of laws and on and on and on and on....Oh, things are discussed, things are rumoured/suggested but where is the parliamentary time being devoted to things that will actually bring long-term positive changes for this country?

So much parliamentary time and so many people have been involved in this so called 'reconciliation' process and the amnesty associated with it. A non-stop frenzy of activity. It is offensive that they are doing so. While the country grinds on and the lot of the normal people of Thailand doesn't improve.

And for what....

All for one man, who doesn't have the integrity to face the accusations made against him.

As time goes by and nothing real comes from Pheu Thai, the con just seems to be more and more obvious. So obvious in fact, that even some of the rather ignorant here must be questioning their blind faith....well, I hope so.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

All their efforts seem to surround amnesty, charter change or reconciliation.

I think you are forgetting the minimum wage rise. And the tablet PC's.
Charter change however is a necessity- plain fact is, Thailand is not currently a legally constituted nation because the legal Constitution was thrown out on the back of an illegal military Coup.
The fact that a certain segment of society and their media mouthpieces will say it is only about Thaksin is a given. The fact that the slanted media has therefore become irrelevant to a majority of Thai is a direct result of this.
Personally, I would like to see PT doing more to establish an impartial, strong and independent Judiciary, and removing the Military from the political process. But we all know the risks involved in doing this.
I don't really have a problem with this 'same old, same old' criticism aimed at PT, as long as it is acknowledged that in one, critical respect they are not the same- because they were voted in by the People, with a crushing majority to boot.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

What are they doing to solve the problems with.... poverty, human rights, women's rights, inequality, corruption, rape laws, child abuse laws, human trafficking, gun crime, domestic violence, education, the environment, malpractice and compensation, the southern insurgency, consumer rights and protection, censorship, enforcement of laws and on and on and on and on....Oh, things are discussed, things are rumoured/suggested but where is the parliamentary time being devoted to things that will actually bring long-term positive changes for this country? So much parliamentary time and so many people have been involved in this so called 'reconciliation' process and the amnesty associated with it. A non-stop frenzy of activity. It is offensive that they are doing so. While the country grinds on and the lot of the normal people of Thailand doesn't improve. And for what.... All for one man, who doesn't have the integrity to face the accusations made against him.

And what didn't the previous government do?

And who didn't they do it for?

What did the previous government do?
Apart from giving free rein to corruption, absolutely nothing that I am aware of.

To SD - Minimum wage for starters. When Dems and junta were in power their pitch to international investors was come to Thailand because we have a cheap labor force (of course only on behalf of Central and other established companies). What kind of country prides itself on cheap labor? Answer - one that doesn't give a shit about them.

People forget that the right to organize and bargain collectively is what built the north american and european middle classes. you can easily trace this rise and then fall (the fall with reagan and thatcher's attack on trade unions). The unions built the prosperity (by spreading it around) and with it nations rose. Now they're all in decline - with weakened unions and little and no social security - again track it with the rise in conservatism. You can say what you like about social programs out of control in Greece or france or wherever, but it was spreading around the largesse that built the "american dream" -not some 'entrepreunurial' quaker with a horse and buggy selling milk on the side of the road.

^Spot on. It boggles the mind that that is not absolutely crystal clear to anyone who bothers to think about it.

Rising labor costs force innovation as well as expanding markets. The whole post-Ron-and-Maggie "free market" boondoggle is just that.

Let's not forget reducing taxes for the wealthy while starting two wars.
Anyone who can't see that the class struggle was started years ago by Reagan & Thatcher has blinders on.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

People forget that the right to organize and bargain collectively is what built the north american and european middle classes. you can easily trace this rise and then fall (the fall with reagan and thatcher's attack on trade unions). The unions built the prosperity (by spreading it around) and with it nations rose. Now they're all in decline - with weakened unions and little and no social security - again track it with the rise in conservatism. You can say what you like about social programs out of control in Greece or france or wherever, but it was spreading around the largesse that built the "american dream" -not some 'entrepreunurial' quaker with a horse and buggy selling milk on the side of the road.

Unions built the prosperity? I respect your intelligence but also know you are politically something I am not. (however I dont think differences are that many-off topic) I think unions are working to destroy the prosperity - there are good people there, but in the end any union is a dictatorship - take a look at the leaders. Thatcher ended that in the UK in early 1980s. Resulting (not only because of killing the unions, of course, but it was a part of it) in great boom in UK economy (fastest growing economy in Europe for all of 80s). Reagan worked over it and ended with the same, after that US was respected by the Americans, after a long while. How many dollar can you price that? - if you wanted to, of course.

There are so many parameters here. Philip K Dick said, "".